MR. PENN: Or in the alternative, the Court can recognize that the parents are longstanding guardians of the person and that they can make the application. And that it is their desires that are being advanced before the Court. And it’s their request, not his request, as articulated. That’s actually how I understood it coming in. Again, I would be wrong about how it’s supposed to work, but that’s how I see it. THE COURT: But then my problem is, if I just use voting as an example, they came in here today because they wanted to use it to help them vote. And as far as I can tell, I didn’t see that he really had much – that he was able to independently express that desire not to my satisfaction. And so if that just existed and the[y] didn’t come in here and I said generally speaking, the parents can do whatever, because they’re his parents and they’ve been there for a long time, and they’ve taken care of him and they’re reasonable people, and so on and so forth. But had they come in here on the voting issue I would have said no, like I did. And so no I’m trying to figure out so then how do I do that if – because I’m just giving them kind of carte blanche. And so in this instance, had they not had to come in here, they would have moved on with the voting. And really then, as far as I can see, just imputed their decision for his decision for real. I mean, that’s – do you see what I’m saying? MR. PENN: I do. But I feel like we might, by focusing so hard on the voting, we might have mostly tied the two issues that was intended. Do you remember how infused I was and how positive I was in the beginning, I met so many people. THE COURT: Right. MR. PENN: And I think they’re two advanced supported decisionmakers. As I read the statute, I agree there’s a belt and 17

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